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[Loves Wood]

Hi,

I'm in the market for a dust collection system for my garage/workshop. I
have done some comparative shopping, and I have narrowed it down to either
Delta or Jet. I'm leaning more towards Jet's, but I just don't know. If
you have either of these brands, please reply back and let me know what you
think about it. I just don't trust the reviews on Amazon!

Thanks

[Mark Jerde]

Loves Wood wrote:

[Phisherman]

On Tue, 23 Dec 2003 20:39:42 -0600, "Loves Wood"
<woodlover@someaddress.com> wrote:

[Guest]

Loves Wood said:

[Bob Davis]

There's also Woodsucker - a very competitive cyclone. For those who won't
go the price or space of a cyclone, the Jet Canister system is very nice.
Its head and shoulders above a bag style for effectiveness and ease of use.

Bob


"Phisherman" <nobody@noone.com> wrote in message
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[Clarke Echols]

I build the kits that are based on Bill Pentz's cyclone design. There
are several reasons why I consider this to be the best unit available
for overall performance. (details at

http://cnets.net/~eclectic/woodworking/cyclone/ClarkesKits.cfm

You would be well advised to avoid non-cyclone units that use bag
"filters" because the fine dust that gets through is very dangerous.
As for cyclones, there are cyclones and there are units called "cyclones"
and since there is no standard industry definition for what constitutes
a real cyclone, you're on your own there.

A few pointers when looking at cyclones. An efficient, effective
cyclone doesn't need a large bag-over-a-barrel dust bin and bag after
the blower. Yesterday, I got an email from one builder of the cyclone
kit I produce. When he got his unit going, he put some fine MDF
sawdust from his table saw into the inlet while observing the unfiltered
outlet from the blower. The cyclone gobbled up the dust, but there was
NO visible dust coming out of the blower.

A properly designed and configured cyclone is not a trivial matter,
and when the design is not based on very sound physics and aerodynamics,
it generally will not deliver top-notch performance. And don't forget,
that many of the published "specifications" on dust collectors and
cyclones do not represent anything remotely resembling actual operation
in a real shop environment.

A well designed cyclone with proper filters and well-designed collection
ducts does not leave dust all over your shop. If there's dust all over
the shop, the collector isn't really collecting, is it?

Clarke


Mark Jerde wrote:

[Joe "Woody" Woodpecker]

The comparison between a metal fan and a fiberglass fan is that if you
happen to suck up a nail, staple or other metal object, when it hits the
fan it can throw sparks into your collected dust and smolder into a
fire, long after you shut down the shop.

--


Re: buying a dust collector

Group: rec.woodworking Date: Wed, Dec 24, 2003, 3:15am (MST+7) From:
nobody@noone.com (Phisherman)
On Tue, 23 Dec 2003 20:39:42 -0600, "Loves Wood"
<woodlover@someaddress.com> wrote:
Hi,
I'm in the market for a dust collection system for my garage/workshop. I
have done some comparative shopping, and I have narrowed it down to
either Delta or Jet. I'm leaning more towards Jet's, but I just don't
know. If you have either of these brands, please reply back and let me
know what you think about it. I just don't trust the reviews on Amazon!
Thanks

The best ones are either Penn State or Grizzly. I've got the Penn State
and I'm happy with it, but I'd have no problems with Grizzly either.
Make sure you get a metal propeller. There's nothing special about Jet
or Delta. I'd get the most power for the buck with 5 or less micron
bags.

--
Woody


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[Joe "Woody" Woodpecker]

Your DC is designed to collect dust from a 2" or 4" port on your tools.
The 2" port is for a shop vac because the tool either has a lot of the
dust trapped (inside the wheel cage of a BS or under the table of a
router table) and what little dust that gets away can be collected
easily by the SV.

The larger machines that have the 4" collection ports are placed there
as an after market product to match up with the existing standard of the
4" dust collection hose. Think! A 4" collection hose has a 12.56
Square inch area across any part of the hose or a 12.56 cubic inch per
lineal inch of the hose. Now to fit this 4" hose into a square port,
the smallest size would be 16 square inches or 16 cubic inches of box
per lineal inch of dust port. This means you have lost 1/4 of your
suction just by placing a 4" hose on the port.

A redesign of the port would effectively remove more dust by using the
full power of the DC and not allow the dust ports to exceeded that of
the hose which brings in the suction per lineal inch.

--
Woody


Check out my Web Page at:

http://community-1.webtv.net/WoodworkerJoe/WoodworkerJoesInfo

Where you will find:

******** How My Shop Works ******** 5-21-03

* * * Build a $20 DC Separator Can Lid. 1-14-03
* * * DC Relay Box Building Plans. 1-14-03
* * * The Bad Air Your Breath Everyday.1-14-03
* * * What is a Real Woodworker? 2-8-03
* * * Murphy's Woodworking Definitions. 2-8-03
* * * Murphy's Woodworking Laws. 4-6-03
* * * What is the true meaning of life? 1-14-03
* * * Woodworker Shop Signs. 2-8-03

[Dick Durbin]

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Dick Durbin said:

[Bob Gramza]

"Loves Wood" <woodlover@someaddress.com> wrote in message news:EvOdnSkWrrfIZnWiRVn-gQ@comcast.com...
: Hi,
:
: I'm in the market for a dust collection system for my garage/workshop. I
: have done some comparative shopping, and I have narrowed it down to either
: Delta or Jet. I'm leaning more towards Jet's, but I just don't know. If
: you have either of these brands, please reply back and let me know what you
: think about it. I just don't trust the reviews on Amazon!
:
: Thanks
:
:
I have the Jet DC-1100CK. It works great, gets all the chips and dust I throw at it from my planer
and table saw. For the fine dust in the air I have the Jet AFS-1000B air filter. It too works very
well.

[Toller]

I've had a Penn State dust collector for about a month now. It really
doesn't do as much as I expected.
It is great on my router table, but does very little for the contractors
saw, miter saw, or sanding. Had I realized this, I don't think I would have
bought one; as a shop vac wasn't too bad on the router table either.

If anyone has advice on how to make it more effective, I am all ears (eyes,
whatever...).

[Edwin Pawlowski]

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