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John
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 Posted: Sat Jan 22, 2005 10:23 pm Post subject: Craftsman Pro Vs Grizzly 1023 left tilt |
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Got a friend starting to look into a table saw, and he just read the
review in Workbench that gave the Craftsman OR35504 hybrid Editors
choice. I have been pointing him toward the Grizzly G1023SL
Since both are about the same price, AND he has been using my Unisaw
for the last 6 months - which would YOU suggest is the best for him.
Both weigh about the same, and with a mobility base both should be as
convenient to roll around his garage. I personally think the 3hp
motor alone would tip this to the Grizzly Also, he already has a 220v
outlet in the garage, so that is NOT a factor
So, any commnents?? Reasons to choose the Craftsman over the
Grizzly??
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| Posted: Sat Jan 22, 2005 10:41 pm Post subject: Re: Craftsman Pro Vs Grizzly 1023 left tilt |
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I love my Grizzly left tilt. It was dead on right out of the box. I
have had no problems with it.
Ed
John wrote:
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Got a friend starting to look into a table saw, and he just read the
review in Workbench that gave the Craftsman OR35504 hybrid Editors
choice. I have been pointing him toward the Grizzly G1023SL
Since both are about the same price, AND he has been using my Unisaw
for the last 6 months - which would YOU suggest is the best for him.
Both weigh about the same, and with a mobility base both should be as
convenient to roll around his garage. I personally think the 3hp
motor alone would tip this to the Grizzly Also, he already has a
220v
outlet in the garage, so that is NOT a factor
So, any commnents?? Reasons to choose the Craftsman over the
Grizzly??
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Dave Anderson
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| Posted: Sat Jan 22, 2005 11:37 pm Post subject: Re: Craftsman Pro Vs Grizzly 1023 left tilt |
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reasons to choose the grizzly over craftsman
1) 3 honest H.P. (not rated at max starting current like craftsman)
2) the Trunions are 5 to 6 times more
masive (more iron = less vibration)
3) three belt drive system (not single)
4)thicker castiron top(see#2)
5) Built for the commerical market, not the home market
I upgraded to the Grizzly Last Fall and could not be happier.Every adjusted
was dead on out of the Box . I used a Dial Indicater and no measurement was
out more than .002"
If you look at the guts of the Craftsman, all they did was mount the
contracter type trunnions the cabinet instead of the top and move the motor
inside
Enough Said,
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Greg O
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| Posted: Sat Jan 22, 2005 11:47 pm Post subject: Re: Craftsman Pro Vs Grizzly 1023 left tilt |
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"John" <john@interoz.com> wrote in message
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So, any commnents?? Reasons to choose the Craftsman over the
Grizzly??
John
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Reasons to pick Craftsman over Griz? I can't think of any!
Seems to me the Griz is a bit heavier, plus the motor you mention. 1-3/4 HP
120/240 volt on the Craftsman versus the 3 HP 240 volt on the Griz.
Seems simple to me, buy the Grizzly
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loutent
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| Posted: Sun Jan 23, 2005 1:14 am Post subject: Re: Craftsman Pro Vs Grizzly 1023 left tilt |
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Hi John,
I went through the same thing recently and
bought the Griz.
After checking out the Craftsman, there is
no comparison. The motor, trunion action
(the handheels on the 1023 move like a
finely tuned watch - silky smooth), the
fences are comparable.
I've had it for less than a month. I was
amazed when it passed the "nickel test"
straight out of the box. Set the nickel on
end and then hit the "ON" switch. That
nickel didn't budge - no matter where on
the top I put it.
I could go on, but IMHO your friend will
thank you for recommending this saw.
Lou
In article <dj25v0hh1id39dcmh3dpd77eaerabv02g8@4ax.com>, John
<john@interoz.com> wrote:
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Got a friend starting to look into a table saw, and he just read the
review in Workbench that gave the Craftsman OR35504 hybrid Editors
choice. I have been pointing him toward the Grizzly G1023SL
Since both are about the same price, AND he has been using my Unisaw
for the last 6 months - which would YOU suggest is the best for him.
Both weigh about the same, and with a mobility base both should be as
convenient to roll around his garage. I personally think the 3hp
motor alone would tip this to the Grizzly Also, he already has a 220v
outlet in the garage, so that is NOT a factor
So, any commnents?? Reasons to choose the Craftsman over the
Grizzly??
John
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tonytn1158
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| Posted: Sun Jan 23, 2005 1:15 am Post subject: Re: Craftsman Pro Vs Grizzly 1023 left tilt |
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Hi, I bought the Griz 1023s last summer, love it, no problems....
Tony
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I love my Grizzly left tilt. It was dead on right out of the box. I
have had no problems with it.
Ed
John wrote:
Got a friend starting to look into a table saw, and he just read the
review in Workbench that gave the Craftsman OR35504 hybrid Editors
choice. I have been pointing him toward the Grizzly G1023SL
Since both are about the same price, AND he has been using my Unisaw
for the last 6 months - which would YOU suggest is the best for him.
Both weigh about the same, and with a mobility base both should be as
convenient to roll around his garage. I personally think the 3hp
motor alone would tip this to the Grizzly Also, he already has a
220v
outlet in the garage, so that is NOT a factor
So, any commnents?? Reasons to choose the Craftsman over the
Grizzly??
John
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Charlie Self
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| Posted: Sun Jan 23, 2005 1:43 am Post subject: Re: Craftsman Pro Vs Grizzly 1023 left tilt |
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Dave Anderson babbles:
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reasons to choose the grizzly over craftsman
1) 3 honest H.P. (not rated at max starting current like craftsman)
2) the Trunions are 5 to 6 times more
masive (more iron = less vibration)
3) three belt drive system (not single)
4)thicker castiron top(see#2)
5) Built for the commerical market, not the home market
I upgraded to the Grizzly Last Fall and could not be happier.Every adjusted
was dead on out of the Box . I used a Dial Indicater and no measurement was
out more than .002"
If you look at the guts of the Craftsman, all they did was mount the
contracter type trunnions the cabinet instead of the top and move the motor
inside
Enough Said,
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The Grizzly may well be the better choice. Certainly it is more powerful, and
it is a damned good saw. But your points don't bear examination.
1. The Craftsman hybrid is rate at 1-3/4 HP.
2. The Grizzly trunnions MAY be about 50% heavier. It's been a while since I've
seen Grizz trunnions.
3. The single belt on the Craftsman is a multi-V poly on machined pulleys, and
is actually more effective than a 1-3/4 HP saw needs.
4. Dunno. I haven't measured either one. Have you? If you have, post the
thickness of your Grizz top, and I'll go measure the Craftsman in my shop, and
we'll KNOW.
5. Nope. It is built primarily for the hobby woodworker, as is the Craftsman.
6. The trunnions in the Craftsman are nothing like contractorf saw trunnions.
You said way more than enough, not much of which was accurate.
Charlie Self
"They want the federal government controlling Social Security like it's some
kind of federal program." George W. Bush, St. Charles, Missouri, November 2,
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John
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| Posted: Sun Jan 23, 2005 1:50 am Post subject: Re: Craftsman Pro Vs Grizzly 1023 left tilt |
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Charlie
Bottom line, Which would YOU recommend to a friend like I described.
It would probably be a no brainer for HIM if we were looking at the
Craftsman vs a Unisaw - but at this price point, I don't really see
any reason for choosing the Craftsman over the Grizzly.
John
On 22 Jan 2005 20:43:21 GMT, charliediy@aol.comnotforme (Charlie Self)
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Dave Anderson babbles:
reasons to choose the grizzly over craftsman
1) 3 honest H.P. (not rated at max starting current like craftsman)
2) the Trunions are 5 to 6 times more
masive (more iron = less vibration)
3) three belt drive system (not single)
4)thicker castiron top(see#2)
5) Built for the commerical market, not the home market
I upgraded to the Grizzly Last Fall and could not be happier.Every adjusted
was dead on out of the Box . I used a Dial Indicater and no measurement was
out more than .002"
If you look at the guts of the Craftsman, all they did was mount the
contracter type trunnions the cabinet instead of the top and move the motor
inside
Enough Said,
The Grizzly may well be the better choice. Certainly it is more powerful, and
it is a damned good saw. But your points don't bear examination.
1. The Craftsman hybrid is rate at 1-3/4 HP.
2. The Grizzly trunnions MAY be about 50% heavier. It's been a while since I've
seen Grizz trunnions.
3. The single belt on the Craftsman is a multi-V poly on machined pulleys, and
is actually more effective than a 1-3/4 HP saw needs.
4. Dunno. I haven't measured either one. Have you? If you have, post the
thickness of your Grizz top, and I'll go measure the Craftsman in my shop, and
we'll KNOW.
5. Nope. It is built primarily for the hobby woodworker, as is the Craftsman.
6. The trunnions in the Craftsman are nothing like contractorf saw trunnions.
You said way more than enough, not much of which was accurate.
Charlie Self
"They want the federal government controlling Social Security like it's some
kind of federal program." George W. Bush, St. Charles, Missouri, November 2,
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BAF
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| Posted: Sun Jan 23, 2005 1:56 am Post subject: Re: Craftsman Pro Vs Grizzly 1023 left tilt |
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Been using a Grizzly 1023Z table saw in my shop since 2000 and haven't had a single problem. Great stuff for the price!
Try the TS 2000 blade from Ridge Carbide Tool:
http://www.ridgecarbidetool.com/html/table_radius.htm
Ed
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"John" <john@interoz.com> wrote in message news:dj25v0hh1id39dcmh3dpd77eaerabv02g8@4ax.com...
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Got a friend starting to look into a table saw, and he just read the
review in Workbench that gave the Craftsman OR35504 hybrid Editors
choice. I have been pointing him toward the Grizzly G1023SL
Since both are about the same price, AND he has been using my Unisaw
for the last 6 months - which would YOU suggest is the best for him.
Both weigh about the same, and with a mobility base both should be as
convenient to roll around his garage. I personally think the 3hp
motor alone would tip this to the Grizzly Also, he already has a 220v
outlet in the garage, so that is NOT a factor
So, any commnents?? Reasons to choose the Craftsman over the
Grizzly??
John
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loutent
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| Posted: Sun Jan 23, 2005 6:14 am Post subject: Re: Craftsman Pro Vs Grizzly 1023 left tilt |
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Hi (again) John,
As another perspective on my previous pro-Griz
post, it should be mentioned that the 1023SL is now
almost $1100 w/shipping. The Craftsman can be
purchased for under $800 from what I've seen
on this forum (using sales + coupons etc).
In reality, you are not comparing apples to
oranges, but maybe oranges to tangerines (?).
$300 is quite a difference in tool land. I think
that I remember a post from someone who got it
for around $700.
At those prices, you could not go wrong with the Craftsman.
For myself, I wanted a great saw that would be much
better than the contractor-type import which
I have used for the last 16+ years.
I did not want to buy another TS just to think that I
would want yet another upgrade in 5 years or so. Yet,
I did not (as a hobbyist) feel it necessary to spend
$2K+ on a Unisaw or PM.
In the end, it comes down to $.
Lou
In article <dj25v0hh1id39dcmh3dpd77eaerabv02g8@4ax.com>, John
<john@interoz.com> wrote:
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Got a friend starting to look into a table saw, and he just read the
review in Workbench that gave the Craftsman OR35504 hybrid Editors
choice. I have been pointing him toward the Grizzly G1023SL
Since both are about the same price, AND he has been using my Unisaw
for the last 6 months - which would YOU suggest is the best for him.
Both weigh about the same, and with a mobility base both should be as
convenient to roll around his garage. I personally think the 3hp
motor alone would tip this to the Grizzly Also, he already has a 220v
outlet in the garage, so that is NOT a factor
So, any commnents?? Reasons to choose the Craftsman over the
Grizzly??
John
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Dave Jackson
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| Posted: Sun Jan 23, 2005 6:32 am Post subject: Re: Craftsman Pro Vs Grizzly 1023 left tilt |
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hmmmm. Hey BAF, aren't you the same spammer who slammed us with a bunch of
apprenticeship crap last month?
Nice to see you offer something to the group besides your scams. --dave
"loutent" <loutent@no.net> wrote in message
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Hi (again) John,
As another perspective on my previous pro-Griz
post, it should be mentioned that the 1023SL is now
almost $1100 w/shipping. The Craftsman can be
purchased for under $800 from what I've seen
on this forum (using sales + coupons etc).
In reality, you are not comparing apples to
oranges, but maybe oranges to tangerines (?).
$300 is quite a difference in tool land. I think
that I remember a post from someone who got it
for around $700.
At those prices, you could not go wrong with the Craftsman.
For myself, I wanted a great saw that would be much
better than the contractor-type import which
I have used for the last 16+ years.
I did not want to buy another TS just to think that I
would want yet another upgrade in 5 years or so. Yet,
I did not (as a hobbyist) feel it necessary to spend
$2K+ on a Unisaw or PM.
In the end, it comes down to $.
Lou
In article <dj25v0hh1id39dcmh3dpd77eaerabv02g8@4ax.com>, John
john@interoz.com> wrote:
Got a friend starting to look into a table saw, and he just read the
review in Workbench that gave the Craftsman OR35504 hybrid Editors
choice. I have been pointing him toward the Grizzly G1023SL
Since both are about the same price, AND he has been using my Unisaw
for the last 6 months - which would YOU suggest is the best for him.
Both weigh about the same, and with a mobility base both should be as
convenient to roll around his garage. I personally think the 3hp
motor alone would tip this to the Grizzly Also, he already has a 220v
outlet in the garage, so that is NOT a factor
So, any commnents?? Reasons to choose the Craftsman over the
Grizzly??
John
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John
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| Posted: Sun Jan 23, 2005 6:44 am Post subject: Re: Craftsman Pro Vs Grizzly 1023 left tilt |
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Well, they are NOT on sale right now, and the SRP is around $925-$950
The Grizzly is $995 plus $78 Shipping, so unless he wants to wait for
the Craftsman to go on sale, price difference is about $125, which is
not a bad premium to pay for the better saw
John
On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 20:14:23 -0500, loutent <loutent@no.net> wrote:
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Hi (again) John,
As another perspective on my previous pro-Griz
post, it should be mentioned that the 1023SL is now
almost $1100 w/shipping. The Craftsman can be
purchased for under $800 from what I've seen
on this forum (using sales + coupons etc).
In reality, you are not comparing apples to
oranges, but maybe oranges to tangerines (?).
$300 is quite a difference in tool land. I think
that I remember a post from someone who got it
for around $700.
At those prices, you could not go wrong with the Craftsman.
For myself, I wanted a great saw that would be much
better than the contractor-type import which
I have used for the last 16+ years.
I did not want to buy another TS just to think that I
would want yet another upgrade in 5 years or so. Yet,
I did not (as a hobbyist) feel it necessary to spend
$2K+ on a Unisaw or PM.
In the end, it comes down to $.
Lou
In article <dj25v0hh1id39dcmh3dpd77eaerabv02g8@4ax.com>, John
john@interoz.com> wrote:
Got a friend starting to look into a table saw, and he just read the
review in Workbench that gave the Craftsman OR35504 hybrid Editors
choice. I have been pointing him toward the Grizzly G1023SL
Since both are about the same price, AND he has been using my Unisaw
for the last 6 months - which would YOU suggest is the best for him.
Both weigh about the same, and with a mobility base both should be as
convenient to roll around his garage. I personally think the 3hp
motor alone would tip this to the Grizzly Also, he already has a 220v
outlet in the garage, so that is NOT a factor
So, any commnents?? Reasons to choose the Craftsman over the
Grizzly??
John
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News2
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| Posted: Sun Jan 23, 2005 10:42 am Post subject: Re: Craftsman Pro Vs Grizzly 1023 left tilt |
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I'm obviously not Charlie, but I have owned the Craftsman 22124 saw since
last October.
I like the Griz. It's indeed a good saw. I bought the Craftsman instead. I'd
do it again. And again.
I could look the Craftsman over in the store before I bought it. That's
tough to do on a magazine page. I also knew that I'd have local support if
I needed it. (Absolutely NOT so with Griz -- unless you live in one of,
what? three? places.)
The Griz would be drop-shipped by an anonymous trucker to my curb stone. It
would have been up to me and my lonesomes to get the saw into place. MY
Craftsman was delivered and then placed on my back patio (and set up on the
mobile base, to boot) with a "can we help you get it put together?" !!!
I bought my Craftsman while on sale and the sale happened to coincide with a
Craftsman Club discount event. With Sales Taxes, delivery *&* a two-year On
Site Service Agreement, my bottom line came to about $870 -- including the
mobile base.
I am Extremely Pleased with my 22124 saw. I'm more than pleased with the
Biesemeyer Fence. I am Extremely Pleased with my local Sears store!
Yeah, I'd buy it again over the Grizzley. Any Day. (And remember, I like the
Grizzley.)
--
Enjoy life and *do* well by it
-- it might well be the only chance you get :-)
Steve,
http://www.ApacheTrail.com/ww/
"John" <john@interoz.com> wrote in message
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Charlie
Bottom line, Which would YOU recommend to a friend like I described.
It would probably be a no brainer for HIM if we were looking at the
Craftsman vs a Unisaw - but at this price point, I don't really see
any reason for choosing the Craftsman over the Grizzly.
John
On 22 Jan 2005 20:43:21 GMT, charliediy@aol.comnotforme (Charlie Self)
wrote:
Dave Anderson babbles:
reasons to choose the grizzly over craftsman
1) 3 honest H.P. (not rated at max starting current like craftsman)
2) the Trunions are 5 to 6 times more
masive (more iron = less vibration)
3) three belt drive system (not single)
4)thicker castiron top(see#2)
5) Built for the commerical market, not the home market
I upgraded to the Grizzly Last Fall and could not be happier.Every
adjusted
was dead on out of the Box . I used a Dial Indicater and no measurement
was
out more than .002"
If you look at the guts of the Craftsman, all they did was mount the
contracter type trunnions the cabinet instead of the top and move the
motor
inside
Enough Said,
The Grizzly may well be the better choice. Certainly it is more powerful,
and
it is a damned good saw. But your points don't bear examination.
1. The Craftsman hybrid is rate at 1-3/4 HP.
2. The Grizzly trunnions MAY be about 50% heavier. It's been a while since
I've
seen Grizz trunnions.
3. The single belt on the Craftsman is a multi-V poly on machined pulleys,
and
is actually more effective than a 1-3/4 HP saw needs.
4. Dunno. I haven't measured either one. Have you? If you have, post the
thickness of your Grizz top, and I'll go measure the Craftsman in my shop,
and
we'll KNOW.
5. Nope. It is built primarily for the hobby woodworker, as is the
Craftsman.
6. The trunnions in the Craftsman are nothing like contractorf saw
trunnions.
You said way more than enough, not much of which was accurate.
Charlie Self
"They want the federal government controlling Social Security like it's
some
kind of federal program." George W. Bush, St. Charles, Missouri, November
2,
2000
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James \"Cubby\" Culbertso
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| Posted: Sun Jan 23, 2005 12:24 pm Post subject: Re: Craftsman Pro Vs Grizzly 1023 left tilt |
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First off, I can't comment at all about the Craftsman saw. Never seen one,
haven't researched it, let alone read much about it.
That said, I just bought the Grizzly 1023SL. I couldn't be happier. It
seems to be a very stout saw with a good amount of
"bulk" if you will. It went together without a hitch and was pretty much
right on straight out of the box. I haven't done my final
adjustments but it appears what adjustments I will have to make will be
minor. I did purchase just before their price hike.
Having curbside delivery vs. having someone roll it into my garage and set
it on a mobile base hardly seems to be a reason to me, to buy
one saw over the other. I actually picked mine up at the freight company
and hauled it home. From there I put it on a mobile base and
assembled the whole thing completely by myself. Mind you, I'm a whopping
5'7" and about 155lbs. so it may have been a bit
easier for me than others :)
As for local service vs. phone service, I find I got better service with
Grizzly than I could have locally. One of the wings hadn't been
properly cosmoline'ed so had some rust. A quick call to Grizzly and
another was here in two days with no questions asked. I'm completely
comfortable with dealing long distance on product issues with Grizzly given
the few times I've called them (I've got their G0555 Bandsaw
as well).
So all in all, I'm very happy with my new toy and can't wait to start
putting it to use on a few tables and a bookshelf. Whatever about
the Craftsman, the Grizzly 1023SL seems to be a fine piece of machinery.
Cheers,
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Bob G.
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On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 11:23:37 -0600, John <john@interoz.com> wrote:
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Got a friend starting to look into a table saw, and he just read the
review in Workbench that gave the Craftsman OR35504 hybrid Editors
choice. I have been pointing him toward the Grizzly G1023SL
Since both are about the same price, AND he has been using my Unisaw
for the last 6 months - which would YOU suggest is the best for him.
Both weigh about the same, and with a mobility base both should be as
convenient to roll around his garage. I personally think the 3hp
motor alone would tip this to the Grizzly Also, he already has a 220v
outlet in the garage, so that is NOT a factor
So, any commnents?? Reasons to choose the Craftsman over the
Grizzly??
John
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I looked the Craftsman over pretty well receintly out of curiousity ( |
I've run a Jet Cabinet Saw for over 10 years and am NOT in the
market...
I honestly think it may be a fair saw BUT it just can not be compared
with the Grizley my buddy purchased last year... No ands ifs or
buts... Price wise I have to ask does dropping 800 bucks hurt? Well
it does for me... BUT again dropping 300 bucks more for the grizley
will hurt just as bad... (Kind of like slamming 1 or 2 fingers in your
car door... hurts like hell but no real difference between 1 or 2
fingers).
Someone mentioned Local service at Sears...? Around here
Sears has as much service as the local gas stations... self serve
at best...
Having said that when I was shopping I picked the Jet over the Delta
Cabinet saw ONLY because the darn top was machined better... in other
words I picked it for cosmetic reasons.... Hell of a dumb reason I'll
admit... The 150 bucks difference in price honestly did not factor
into my deciasion either nor did the stock fences...since I could
order either at that time with a Biesmeyer...
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