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Ignoramus29737
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 Posted: Sun Feb 20, 2005 11:10 pm Post subject: FS Six 20A outlet shop electrical panel, each outlet protect |
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For Sale is a panel of 6 20A outlets. Each outlet is individually
protected with a separate breaker!
http://igor.chudov.com/tmp/outlet-panel/
You run a single circuit to your shop (say 30-40A 220V with neutral),
with one breaker in the main panel, connect it to the panel I am
selling, and voila, you are done.
This is a very cheap way to have a lot of protected 20A outlets,
compared to alternatives (buying electrical boxes, premium 20A
outlets, subpanel, many breakers etc). Nice for a shop where you have
a lot of tools that need to be plugged in.
This is a pull from a large 5 kvA working UPS. I have another one,
which I will keep for myself.
$25 plus shipping (maybe $10 or so) takes it. Local pickup is free
(Chicagoland).
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Ignoramus29737
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| Posted: Mon Feb 21, 2005 1:36 am Post subject: Re: FS Six 20A outlet shop electrical panel, each outlet pro |
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my site was down for a while, it is back up again.
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On 20 Feb 2005 18:10:02 GMT, Ignoramus29737 <ignoramus29737@NOSPAM.29737.invalid> wrote:
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For Sale is a panel of 6 20A outlets. Each outlet is individually
protected with a separate breaker!
http://igor.chudov.com/tmp/outlet-panel/
You run a single circuit to your shop (say 30-40A 220V with neutral),
with one breaker in the main panel, connect it to the panel I am
selling, and voila, you are done.
This is a very cheap way to have a lot of protected 20A outlets,
compared to alternatives (buying electrical boxes, premium 20A
outlets, subpanel, many breakers etc). Nice for a shop where you have
a lot of tools that need to be plugged in.
This is a pull from a large 5 kvA working UPS. I have another one,
which I will keep for myself.
$25 plus shipping (maybe $10 or so) takes it. Local pickup is free
(Chicagoland).
i
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Jeff P.
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| Posted: Mon Feb 21, 2005 10:04 am Post subject: Re: FS Six 20A outlet shop electrical panel, each outlet pro |
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Your site was still down when I tried it at 11:11pm central time.
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Jeff P.
A truck carrying copies of Roget's Thesaurus over-turned on the
highway. The local newspaper reported that the onlookers were
"stunned, overwhelmed, astonished, bewildered, and dumfounded."
Check out my woodshop at: www.sawdustcentral.com
"Ignoramus29737" <ignoramus29737@NOSPAM.29737.invalid> wrote in message
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my site was down for a while, it is back up again.
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On 20 Feb 2005 18:10:02 GMT, Ignoramus29737
ignoramus29737@NOSPAM.29737.invalid> wrote:
For Sale is a panel of 6 20A outlets. Each outlet is individually
protected with a separate breaker!
http://igor.chudov.com/tmp/outlet-panel/
You run a single circuit to your shop (say 30-40A 220V with neutral),
with one breaker in the main panel, connect it to the panel I am
selling, and voila, you are done.
This is a very cheap way to have a lot of protected 20A outlets,
compared to alternatives (buying electrical boxes, premium 20A
outlets, subpanel, many breakers etc). Nice for a shop where you have
a lot of tools that need to be plugged in.
This is a pull from a large 5 kvA working UPS. I have another one,
which I will keep for myself.
$25 plus shipping (maybe $10 or so) takes it. Local pickup is free
(Chicagoland).
i
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Ignoramus29737
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| Posted: Mon Feb 21, 2005 10:33 am Post subject: Re: FS Six 20A outlet shop electrical panel, each outlet pro |
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On Mon, 21 Feb 2005 05:04:29 GMT, Jeff P. <jpicard@REMOVEwi.rr.com> wrote:
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Your site was still down when I tried it at 11:11pm central time.
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it is up now
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John Lovallo
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| Posted: Mon Feb 21, 2005 4:11 pm Post subject: Re: FS Six 20A outlet shop electrical panel, each outlet pro |
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Hi, I don't seem to be able to get email thru to you. I will take the panel
if still available. Please contact me.
Sincerely, John Lovallo
"Ignoramus29737" <ignoramus29737@NOSPAM.29737.invalid> wrote in message
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On Mon, 21 Feb 2005 05:04:29 GMT, Jeff P. <jpicard@REMOVEwi.rr.com> wrote:
Your site was still down when I tried it at 11:11pm central time.
it is up now
On 20 Feb 2005 18:10:02 GMT, Ignoramus29737
ignoramus29737@NOSPAM.29737.invalid> wrote:
For Sale is a panel of 6 20A outlets. Each outlet is individually
protected with a separate breaker!
http://igor.chudov.com/tmp/outlet-panel/
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tom
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| Posted: Mon Feb 21, 2005 10:34 pm Post subject: Re: FS Six 20A outlet shop electrical panel, each outlet pro |
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On Mon, 21 Feb 2005 11:11:02 -0000, "John Lovallo"
<jlovallo@wi.rr.com> wrote:
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Hi, I don't seem to be able to get email thru to you. I will take the panel
if still available. Please contact me.
Sincerely, John Lovallo
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With all the problems I've had and others trying to get to the site,
good thing this is a one time sale. ;)
later,
tom @ www.BookmarkAdmin.com
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"Ignoramus29737" <ignoramus29737@NOSPAM.29737.invalid> wrote in message
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On Mon, 21 Feb 2005 05:04:29 GMT, Jeff P. <jpicard@REMOVEwi.rr.com> wrote:
Your site was still down when I tried it at 11:11pm central time.
it is up now
On 20 Feb 2005 18:10:02 GMT, Ignoramus29737
ignoramus29737@NOSPAM.29737.invalid> wrote:
For Sale is a panel of 6 20A outlets. Each outlet is individually
protected with a separate breaker!
http://igor.chudov.com/tmp/outlet-panel/
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Ignoramus15794
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| Posted: Mon Feb 21, 2005 11:09 pm Post subject: Re: FS Six 20A outlet shop electrical panel, each outlet pro |
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On Mon, 21 Feb 2005 12:34:36 -0500, tom <newsgroups01NOSPAM@intertainia.com> wrote:
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Hi, I don't seem to be able to get email thru to you. I will take the panel
if still available. Please contact me.
Sincerely, John Lovallo
With all the problems I've had and others trying to get to the site,
good thing this is a one time sale.  tom @ www.BookmarkAdmin.com
http://igor.chudov.com/tmp/outlet-panel/
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It should be up now.  I am using that site as a development site for
my main website www.algebra.com (my domain), so, sometimes it is down
if I mess up some apache configuration.
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tom
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| Posted: Mon Feb 21, 2005 11:42 pm Post subject: Re: FS Six 20A outlet shop electrical panel, each outlet pro |
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On 21 Feb 2005 18:09:27 GMT, Ignoramus15794
<ignoramus15794@NOSPAM.15794.invalid> wrote:
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On Mon, 21 Feb 2005 12:34:36 -0500, tom <newsgroups01NOSPAM@intertainia.com> wrote:
Hi, I don't seem to be able to get email thru to you. I will take the panel
if still available. Please contact me.
Sincerely, John Lovallo
With all the problems I've had and others trying to get to the site,
good thing this is a one time sale. tom @ www.BookmarkAdmin.com
http://igor.chudov.com/tmp/outlet-panel/
It should be up now. I am using that site as a development site for
my main website www.algebra.com (my domain), so, sometimes it is down
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Noticed the PR6, very nice.
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if I mess up some apache configuration.
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Who hasn't been there before.....geez.... :)
later,
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Ignoramus15794
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| Posted: Tue Feb 22, 2005 12:12 am Post subject: Re: FS Six 20A outlet shop electrical panel, each outlet pro |
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On Mon, 21 Feb 2005 11:11:02 -0000, John Lovallo <jlovallo@wi.rr.com> wrote:
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Hi, I don't seem to be able to get email thru to you. I will take the panel
if still available. Please contact me.
Sincerely, John Lovallo
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My email is ichudov AT algebra DOT com, or ichudov AT yahoo DOT com.
Will be happy to sell it to you.
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"Ignoramus29737" <ignoramus29737@NOSPAM.29737.invalid> wrote in message
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On Mon, 21 Feb 2005 05:04:29 GMT, Jeff P. <jpicard@REMOVEwi.rr.com> wrote:
Your site was still down when I tried it at 11:11pm central time.
it is up now
On 20 Feb 2005 18:10:02 GMT, Ignoramus29737
ignoramus29737@NOSPAM.29737.invalid> wrote:
For Sale is a panel of 6 20A outlets. Each outlet is individually
protected with a separate breaker!
http://igor.chudov.com/tmp/outlet-panel/
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Mr Fixit eh
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| Posted: Tue Feb 22, 2005 7:46 pm Post subject: Re: FS Six 20A outlet shop electrical panel, each outlet pro |
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No offence to the OP, but this is an extremely dangerous and
not-code-compliant device.
1. Soldered connections are not acceptable for AC;
2. Uninsulated terminations;
I can't tell for sure, but I don't think these breakers are designed
for 20A AC loads.
Even if this were a code-compliant device, it would be unsafe to use
this with any less than 120A overload protection at the main panel and
1/0 AWG copper conductors. *Each* of those 20A receptacles can draw up
to 20A for a total of 120A.
The OP could be held liable for any injury, death, or damage that
ensues from the use of this device. Kudos for creativity, but it
should be destroyed immediately.
Mr Fixit eh |
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Greg Menke
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| Posted: Tue Feb 22, 2005 9:20 pm Post subject: Re: FS Six 20A outlet shop electrical panel, each outlet pro |
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"Mr Fixit eh" <nekias@hotmail.com> writes:
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No offence to the OP, but this is an extremely dangerous and
not-code-compliant device.
1. Soldered connections are not acceptable for AC;
2. Uninsulated terminations;
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I can't speak to code issues, but I've routinely seen both #1 and #2 in
plenty of unmodified, UL listed power strips both high and low quality,
and in other devices as well.
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Ignoramus15841
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| Posted: Tue Feb 22, 2005 9:34 pm Post subject: Re: FS Six 20A outlet shop electrical panel, each outlet pro |
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On 22 Feb 2005 06:46:12 -0800, Mr Fixit eh <nekias@hotmail.com> wrote:
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No offence to the OP, but this is an extremely dangerous and
not-code-compliant device.
1. Soldered connections are not acceptable for AC;
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One has to wonder though, how come they were acceptable in a big
expensive UPS that was sold to the government (Clary UPS).
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2. Uninsulated terminations;
I can't tell for sure, but I don't think these breakers are designed
for 20A AC loads.
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They say "20" on them.
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Even if this were a code-compliant device, it would be unsafe to use
this with any less than 120A overload protection at the main panel and
1/0 AWG copper conductors. *Each* of those 20A receptacles can draw up
to 20A for a total of 120A.
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You can put them on different legs of a 220V circuit, and protect the
circuit with adequate circuit breaker.
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Mike Marlow
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| Posted: Tue Feb 22, 2005 9:38 pm Post subject: Re: FS Six 20A outlet shop electrical panel, each outlet pro |
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"Mr Fixit eh" <nekias@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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No offence to the OP, but this is an extremely dangerous and
not-code-compliant device.
1. Soldered connections are not acceptable for AC;
2. Uninsulated terminations;
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Not sure about that for things like this. This is not house wiring.
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I can't tell for sure, but I don't think these breakers are designed
for 20A AC loads.
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Didn't they have 20A breakers on them?
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Even if this were a code-compliant device, it would be unsafe to use
this with any less than 120A overload protection at the main panel and
1/0 AWG copper conductors. *Each* of those 20A receptacles can draw up
to 20A for a total of 120A.
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How many circuit breakers do you have in your panel? Add up the load total
of all of those breakers. It's very common for that to total more than the
200A or whatever is coming into your house. As long as the device is
protected by a 20A breaker and #12 wire, it's perfectly safe. Remember -
the breaker in your panel protects the wire. The wire is rated for a
certain level of current. It just does not matter what is attached to the
other end. Think of this - by code you can put 12 devices on a piece of #12
wire on 20A breaker. By your logic, I'd need a 240A breaker and some nasty
sized wire for that circuit. Sorry - but you were thinking about this
incorrectly.
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The OP could be held liable for any injury, death, or damage that
ensues from the use of this device. Kudos for creativity, but it
should be destroyed immediately.
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Not if he didn't manufacture it. If he's just selling it he's no more
liable for it than if you sell a car and someone dies in it from some
defect. Even if he did build it, his liability may be quite small. If the
device is UL listed, you're point is even less valid. There's a lot of talk
here about liability for this and for that - even to the point of people
claiming that one can be held liable for posts in this forum. Bull. It's
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Robert Bonomi
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| Posted: Tue Feb 22, 2005 9:41 pm Post subject: Re: FS Six 20A outlet shop electrical panel, each outlet pro |
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In article <1109083572.606287.46630@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>,
Mr Fixit eh <nekias@hotmail.com> wrote:
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No offence to the OP, but this is an extremely dangerous and
not-code-compliant device.
1. Soldered connections are not acceptable for AC;
2. Uninsulated terminations;
I can't tell for sure, but I don't think these breakers are designed
for 20A AC loads.
Even if this were a code-compliant device, it would be unsafe to use
this with any less than 120A overload protection at the main panel and
1/0 AWG copper conductors.
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WRONG! Size the 'upstream' wiring to match whatever size of breaker
is used to feed the outlet panel. IF smaller than 120A, then the upstream
breaker will trip *before* the individual breakers. This is perfectly
acceptable. It just means that you cannot use all the sub-circuits to
maximum capacity simultaneously. Which *is* the 'normal' state of affairs.
Furthermore, 120A only needs #2 wire.
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*Each* of those 20A receptacles can draw up
to 20A for a total of 120A.
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Do you work for Microsoft Tech Support? This is eerily reminiscent of their
responses -- "technically accurate, but utterly meaningless in application".
It is entirely allowable to have sub-strings with their own breakers, where
the aggregate maximum load exceeds the rating of the feedline/breaker.
If you add up the individual breakers in a typical 'home' panel, you'll find
that they often total _more_ than 150% of the main breaker rating, just for
one example. Heck, the electric stove, electric clothes dryer, and the
air-conditioner compressor will often equal the main breaker all by themselves.
Not counting the 8-10 (or more) other circuits in the house. |
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Rick
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| Posted: Tue Feb 22, 2005 9:45 pm Post subject: Re: FS Six 20A outlet shop electrical panel, each outlet pro |
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"Mr Fixit eh" <nekias@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1109083572.606287.46630@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
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No offence to the OP, but this is an extremely dangerous and
not-code-compliant device.
1. Soldered connections are not acceptable for AC;
2. Uninsulated terminations;
I can't tell for sure, but I don't think these breakers are designed
for 20A AC loads.
Even if this were a code-compliant device, it would be unsafe to use
this with any less than 120A overload protection at the main panel and
1/0 AWG copper conductors. *Each* of those 20A receptacles can draw up
to 20A for a total of 120A.
The OP could be held liable for any injury, death, or damage that
ensues from the use of this device. Kudos for creativity, but it
should be destroyed immediately.
Mr Fixit eh
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Where in the NEC does it prohibit soldered connections? |
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