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Puff Griffis
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 Posted: Thu May 06, 2004 3:52 am Post subject: OT: Or not you decide. Good Gawd give it a rest |
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I know I am new to this NG but not to Usenet. I am so tired of this pissing contest between different factions of this NG. Cant you fellows call a truce or something ? Ignore each other ? Whatever it takes just please drop it you are ruining a fine forum just to out do each other. Flame wars are an apparent thriving cancer in all of Usenet but it does not have to be this way. If everyone would just grow up and act their age then this forum can return to a decent place to learn about wood working.
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Frank McVey
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| Posted: Thu May 06, 2004 3:52 am Post subject: Re: Or not you decide. Good Gawd give it a rest |
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I second what you're saying, Puff. However, some senior and very
well-respected members of the group have been under a sustained troll attack
and have the right to defend themselves in the forum in which they were
attacked. In the case of the last series of exchanges, the troll seems to
be a poster who has been purporting to be one of our own for the last 18
months or so - he claims to have had his identity hijacked on a number of
occasions by yet another troll. I can't figure out who is the troll and who
isn't, but since the aforementioned poster contributes little to the group
other than controversy and discord, I've filtered them both with complete
impartiality. A plague on both their houses.
As for the pissing contest, a cursory search of Google will allow you to
make up your own mind as to where the right of the matter lies.
If you still have problems, then it's a simple matter to kill-file those to
whom you take exception - see David Eisan's FAQ, which he posts regularly.
Most of the good guys fly under their own colours so it isn't hard. There
is at least one resident non-Wreck troll who keeps morphing his identity,
making it harder to plonk him, but he's a just a lightweight maggot - no,
less than that - just a yeast infection on an otherwise healthy body, so
ignore him. You'll quickly get to recognise his posts.
Welcome aboard, and I trust that the current spat won't discourage you from
learning from - and contributing to - the "Wreck"
Cheers,
Frank
"Puff Griffis" <puffmc@alltel.net> wrote in message
news:dgemc.1937$mE5.468@fe39.usenetserver.com...
I know I am new to this NG but not to Usenet. I am so tired of this
pissing contest between different factions of this NG. Cant you fellows call
a truce or something ? Ignore each other ? Whatever it takes just please
drop it you are ruining a fine forum just to out do each other. Flame wars
are an apparent thriving cancer in all of Usenet but it does not have to be
this way. If everyone would just grow up and act their age then this forum
can return to a decent place to learn about wood working.
Puff
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Leon
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| Posted: Thu May 06, 2004 3:52 am Post subject: Re: Or not you decide. Good Gawd give it a rest |
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"Puff Griffis" <puffmc@alltel.net> wrote in message
news:dgemc.1937$mE5.468@fe39.usenetserver.com...
I know I am new to this NG but not to Usenet. I am so tired of this
pissing contest between different factions of this NG. Cant you fellows call
a truce or something ? Ignore each other ? Whatever it takes just please
drop it you are ruining a fine forum just to out do each other. Flame wars
are an apparent thriving cancer in all of Usenet but it does not have to be
this way. If everyone would just grow up and act their age then this forum
can return to a decent place to learn about wood working.
Puff
The problem is, the problem people "are" acting their ages. They are in the
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Bay Area Dave
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| Posted: Thu May 06, 2004 4:11 am Post subject: Re: OT: Or not you decide. Good Gawd give it a rest |
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but Puff, there CAN'T be a pissing contest. It's
impossible. To hear the official party line, everyone has
plonked me. Therefore it is IMPOSSIBLE for a pissing
contest to continue. I read it here on the Wreck, so it
MUST BE TRUE!
dave
Puff Griffis wrote:
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I know I am new to this NG but not to Usenet. I am so tired of this pissing contest between different factions of this NG. Cant you fellows call a truce or something ? Ignore each other ? Whatever it takes just please drop it you are ruining a fine forum just to out do each other. Flame wars are an apparent thriving cancer in all of Usenet but it does not have to be this way. If everyone would just grow up and act their age then this forum can return to a decent place to learn about wood working.
Puff
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Morris Dovey
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| Posted: Thu May 06, 2004 4:20 am Post subject: Re: OT: Or not you decide. Good Gawd give it a rest |
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Bay Area Dave wrote:
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but Puff, there CAN'T be a pissing contest. It's impossible. To hear
the official party line, everyone has plonked me. Therefore it is
IMPOSSIBLE for a pissing contest to continue. I read it here on the
Wreck, so it MUST BE TRUE!
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Not everyone has killfiled you; but too much of this stuff
becomes a boring waste of bandwidth that might be used more
constructively to help those with less experience.
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dave in fairfax
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| Posted: Thu May 06, 2004 4:25 am Post subject: Re: OT: Or not you decide. Good Gawd give it a rest |
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Puff Griffis wrote:
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I know I am new to this NG but not to Usenet. I am so tired of this pissing > contest between different factions of this NG. Cant you fellows call a truce or > something ? Ignore each other ? Whatever it takes just please drop it you are > ruining a fine forum just to out do each other. Flame wars are an apparent > thriving cancer in all of Usenet but it does not have to be this way. If everyone > would just grow up and act their age then this forum can return to a decent place > to learn about wood working.
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Don't worry Puff, all will be quiet here in a little while. This
NG has been under troll attack for about 4 months now, or so.
They're getting desperate and our regular troll isn't helping
matters. This is a very well behaved, generally, and mature
group. We'll out stamina the trolls shortly. Stick around. Sure
would be nice if the klownhammer was a wee bit more audible
though. %-)
Dave in Fairfax
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Bay Area Dave
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| Posted: Thu May 06, 2004 4:30 am Post subject: Re: OT: Or not you decide. Good Gawd give it a rest |
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MOrris, I couldn't agree more! Would you kindly call the
dogs off? I think there are more of them than me...
dave
Morris Dovey wrote:
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Bay Area Dave wrote:
but Puff, there CAN'T be a pissing contest. It's impossible. To hear
the official party line, everyone has plonked me. Therefore it is
IMPOSSIBLE for a pissing contest to continue. I read it here on the
Wreck, so it MUST BE TRUE!
Not everyone has killfiled you; but too much of this stuff becomes a
boring waste of bandwidth that might be used more constructively to help
those with less experience.
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Bay Area Dave
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| Posted: Thu May 06, 2004 4:31 am Post subject: Re: OT: Or not you decide. Good Gawd give it a rest |
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is that P.O?
dave
dave in fairfax wrote:
Sure
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would be nice if the klownhammer was a wee bit more audible
though. %-)
Dave in Fairfax |
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Morris Dovey
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| Posted: Thu May 06, 2004 5:50 am Post subject: Re: OT: Or not you decide. Good Gawd give it a rest |
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Bay Area Dave wrote:
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MOrris, I couldn't agree more! Would you kindly call the dogs
off? I think there are more of them than me...
dave
Morris Dovey wrote:
Bay Area Dave wrote:
but Puff, there CAN'T be a pissing contest. It's
impossible. To hear the official party line, everyone has
plonked me. Therefore it is IMPOSSIBLE for a pissing
contest to continue. I read it here on the Wreck, so it
MUST BE TRUE!
Not everyone has killfiled you; but too much of this stuff
becomes a boring waste of bandwidth that might be used more
constructively to help those with less experience.
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I would if I could. I can only suggest ignoring a thread as soon
as it becomes personally offensive - Netscape does this with a
"K" keyboard shortcut - and resisting the urge to strike back.
Usenet /does/ require growing a thick skin (or pretending to have
a thick skin, which is what I do) and the self-discipline to
/not/ engage in knee-jerk reactions. Tolerance for, and
acceptance of, the fact that some (perhaps all) of us post
inappropriately from time to time would seem to be a worthwhile goal.
I haven't read a posting here yet that caused me to dislike the
poster - the rec is full of good people. I don't care much for
the porn spamming nor the posting of forged articles; but I
regard both as attempts by (possibly damaged/broken) individuals
to get the attention that they're not getting in their lives away
from their Internet connection.
We all know that (on usenet, at least) the best way to respond to
trolls is to leave them in limbo. If usenet doesn't provide what
they need, perhaps they'll seek satisfaction and/or more
meaningful help elsewhere.
When a thread takes a turn that I find offensive, I'll either
abandon it or mark it to be ignored. I've yet to killfile an
individual. My life's just too short to waste any of it on anger
(especially someone else's); and it seems to me that the world
has a lot of really /serious/ problems begging for the
application of all the energy that anger uses up.
Now - all that is just my view. Your perspective may be different
and how each of us reacts is something we each decide for
ourselves. FWIW, I'd rather learn (or teach) one new thing about
woodworking than win a hundred pissing matches.
Everybody's mileage varies on this one.
My 2¢ worth.
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Morris Dovey
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Fred the Red Shirt
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| Posted: Thu May 06, 2004 6:12 am Post subject: Re: Or not you decide. Good Gawd give it a rest |
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Perchance did you post this to the wrong newsgroup? Things
here on rec.nahrm seem to have been pretty civil of late.
How about if for off-topic postings and flames we follow
them up with something nice and polite about woodworking.
Drown them in sawdust.
That'll fix 'em.
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Bay Area Dave
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| Posted: Thu May 06, 2004 6:34 am Post subject: Re: Or not you decide. Good Gawd give it a rest |
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sounds like you don't know whether to sh*t or go blind. :)
dave
Frank McVey wrote:
I can't figure out who is the troll and who
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xrongor
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| Posted: Thu May 06, 2004 6:45 am Post subject: Re: Or not you decide. Good Gawd give it a rest |
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considering the number of posts to this group each day, its actually pretty
managable.
randy
"Puff Griffis" <puffmc@alltel.net> wrote in message
news:dgemc.1937$mE5.468@fe39.usenetserver.com...
I know I am new to this NG but not to Usenet. I am so tired of this
pissing contest between different factions of this NG. Cant you fellows call
a truce or something ? Ignore each other ? Whatever it takes just please
drop it you are ruining a fine forum just to out do each other. Flame wars
are an apparent thriving cancer in all of Usenet but it does not have to be
this way. If everyone would just grow up and act their age then this forum
can return to a decent place to learn about wood working.
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Bay Area Dave
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| Posted: Thu May 06, 2004 6:45 am Post subject: Re: OT: Or not you decide. Good Gawd give it a rest |
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I gotta agree with every word you wrote. 'course I don't
like everyone here, but since I've only got 2 miscreants
plonked, that leaves me with plenty of reading material. 
What a find truly interesting is that obvious
tongue-in-cheek posts such as "Jeremy" made are raising lots
of hackles.
In times past I used to be a "plonkin'" fool. The most
excitement came when I shared my list with the group. The
list got long really fast due to their piling-on mentality
and I got sick of reading their posts. I soon learned there
was little to be gained from ignoring all of it so I
unfiltered all but a handful. Then I ran with no filters.
Then the porn started and I got sick of reading the filthy
headers so it was "shields up". Then my pc's hard drive
died and a re-install of Netscape started me back at square
one. and now I run with just 2 miscreants in my list. that
feels about right for the time being.
this is way too much talk about plonking. sorry.
dave
Morris Dovey wrote:
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Bay Area Dave wrote:
MOrris, I couldn't agree more! Would you kindly call the dogs
off? I think there are more of them than me...
dave
Morris Dovey wrote:
Bay Area Dave wrote:
but Puff, there CAN'T be a pissing contest. It's
impossible. To hear the official party line, everyone has
plonked me. Therefore it is IMPOSSIBLE for a pissing
contest to continue. I read it here on the Wreck, so it
MUST BE TRUE!
Not everyone has killfiled you; but too much of this stuff
becomes a boring waste of bandwidth that might be used more
constructively to help those with less experience.
I would if I could. I can only suggest ignoring a thread as soon as it
becomes personally offensive - Netscape does this with a "K" keyboard
shortcut - and resisting the urge to strike back.
Usenet /does/ require growing a thick skin (or pretending to have a
thick skin, which is what I do) and the self-discipline to /not/ engage
in knee-jerk reactions. Tolerance for, and acceptance of, the fact that
some (perhaps all) of us post inappropriately from time to time would
seem to be a worthwhile goal.
I haven't read a posting here yet that caused me to dislike the poster -
the rec is full of good people. I don't care much for the porn spamming
nor the posting of forged articles; but I regard both as attempts by
(possibly damaged/broken) individuals to get the attention that they're
not getting in their lives away from their Internet connection.
We all know that (on usenet, at least) the best way to respond to trolls
is to leave them in limbo. If usenet doesn't provide what they need,
perhaps they'll seek satisfaction and/or more meaningful help elsewhere.
When a thread takes a turn that I find offensive, I'll either abandon it
or mark it to be ignored. I've yet to killfile an individual. My life's
just too short to waste any of it on anger (especially someone else's);
and it seems to me that the world has a lot of really /serious/ problems
begging for the application of all the energy that anger uses up.
Now - all that is just my view. Your perspective may be different and
how each of us reacts is something we each decide for ourselves. FWIW,
I'd rather learn (or teach) one new thing about woodworking than win a
hundred pissing matches.
Everybody's mileage varies on this one.
My 2¢ worth. |
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Tom Watson
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| Posted: Thu May 06, 2004 6:56 am Post subject: Re: OT: Or not you decide. Good Gawd give it a rest |
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On Thu, 06 May 2004 02:45:39 GMT, Bay Area Dave <davea@nospam.com>
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Bay Area Dave
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| Posted: Thu May 06, 2004 7:07 am Post subject: Re: OT: Or not you decide. Good Gawd give it a rest |
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you are reverting to type. extreme childishness. do you
think your staunchest supporters are proud of you at times
like this? Where's your pride, man?
dave
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On Thu, 06 May 2004 02:45:39 GMT, Bay Area Dave <davea@nospam.com
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