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Yield Not to Temptation AKA Dealing with Wood Swelling

 
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Glen Duff
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 17, 2004 5:18 pm    Post subject: Yield Not to Temptation AKA Dealing with Wood Swelling Reply with quote

I recently renovated our kitchen and it included the purchase of a
laminated hardwood slab that I needed to make into an L shape with one
side around 20" wide and the other section 14".

I kept thinking I would like to miter this and glue the joint together,
perhaps with biscuits, some type of fastener across the bottom to keep
the miter together.

My point is this, I am well aware of the effects of wood swelling and
shrinking. What I do not understand is why do we go into some kind of
denial thinking it won't happen to me, at least not this time.

Fortunately a friend of mine who is a trained cabinetmaker was over just
before I was going to cut the miter. He said keep the grain running in
the same direction and just do a butt joint. He then told me he did
something similar when he renovated his own kitchen a few years ago and
in denial decided to do a miter. Surprise surprise, it split open after
less than a year.

Are we the only ones who go into this temporary denial, continue to try
to beat mother nature only to find out the laws of physics remain
constant???

Glen Duff
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George
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 17, 2004 7:50 pm    Post subject: Re: Yield Not to Temptation AKA Dealing with Wood Swelling Reply with quote

I'd miter with a spline to maintain the surfaces flush. Slide a dovetail
in each - no glue except on the final inch of the most visible part.
Pinning the spline at one end and pins in grooves would work, too, but not
as well. Of course, I'd also finish the bottom equal to the top.

"Glen Duff" <glenduffNOSPAM@stn.net> wrote in message
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I recently renovated our kitchen and it included the purchase of a
laminated hardwood slab that I needed to make into an L shape with one
side around 20" wide and the other section 14".

I kept thinking I would like to miter this and glue the joint together,
perhaps with biscuits, some type of fastener across the bottom to keep
the miter together.

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Tim Douglass
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 17, 2004 11:07 pm    Post subject: Re: Yield Not to Temptation AKA Dealing with Wood Swelling Reply with quote

On Thu, 17 Jun 2004 09:18:44 -0400, Glen Duff <glenduffNOSPAM@stn.net>
wrote:

Quote:
I recently renovated our kitchen and it included the purchase of a
laminated hardwood slab that I needed to make into an L shape with one
side around 20" wide and the other section 14".

I kept thinking I would like to miter this and glue the joint together,
perhaps with biscuits, some type of fastener across the bottom to keep
the miter together.

My point is this, I am well aware of the effects of wood swelling and
shrinking. What I do not understand is why do we go into some kind of
denial thinking it won't happen to me, at least not this time.

Fortunately a friend of mine who is a trained cabinetmaker was over just
before I was going to cut the miter. He said keep the grain running in
the same direction and just do a butt joint. He then told me he did
something similar when he renovated his own kitchen a few years ago and
in denial decided to do a miter. Surprise surprise, it split open after
less than a year.

Are we the only ones who go into this temporary denial, continue to try
to beat mother nature only to find out the laws of physics remain
constant???

I've seen a lot of maple counter tops mitered into 'L's without
problems. I *think* the secret is not gluing the miter but allowing it
to move a bit. Most of the ones I've seen have some sort of cross bolt
arrangement that holds the miter together but would still allow for a
bit of movement. I've never seen a professionally installed maple
kitchen counter that wasn't mitered, so I would be just a wee mite
suspicious of your friend's advice.

Tim Douglass

http://www.DouglassClan.com

"It's just eighth-grade Sewickley."
Chuck Knox
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Old Nick
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 18, 2004 7:35 am    Post subject: Re: Yield Not to Temptation AKA Dealing with Wood Swelling Reply with quote

On Thu, 17 Jun 2004 09:18:44 -0400, Glen Duff <glenduffNOSPAM@stn.net>
vaguely proposed a theory
.......and in reply I say!:

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Are we the only ones who go into this temporary denial, continue to try
to beat mother nature only to find out the laws of physics remain
constant???

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swallowers, people who have frequent unprotected sex......
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