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 Posted: Tue Aug 03, 2004 4:37 pm Post subject: Dust Collector Recoomedation |
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I suppose I should classify myself as a newbie, still in the process of
equipping my shop. I'm planning a retirement soon and hope to spend lots of
time in my shop.
I am not a professional woodworker, but I like quality stuff. So far for
major equipment, I have a Delta Unisaw w/52"Bies, Powermatic 14' bandsaw
w/riser, and Dewalt 13" planer. I just recently ordered a Powermatic 60B 8"
jointer and Delta drillpress.
Now I'm shopping for a dust collector. I shopped and shopped but can't make
up my mind. Maybe you folks can help.
Here are my questions:
Do I want an inexpensive 1.5 horsepower, 115 volt unit which I roll around
in my shop, such as the Delta 50-850, or Jet 1100A, or JDS Dust Force, or
Grizzly G1028Z?
I am concerned about health risks and want sub-micron filtering, but should
I go with above inexpensive units and add on sub-micon bags, or canister
filters, or is there something more suited for my shop?
Or should I go to the next level to the 2 horsepower 220 volt units such as
the Grizzly G1029Z with .3 Micon bags? I really like that one but the 220
circuit would have to be added, and do I want to go to that much trouble for
a roll around unit? If I have to add the circuit, why not go with a
stationary unit such as the Grizzly G0525 Cyclone Dust Collector?
Decisions, decisions. One of the problems I have is that it seems that all
of the reviews I can google, are from people who have used only the one
system which they own and have no frame of reference to compare it to other
equivalent systems, other than the shop vac they were using before they
bought their X brand collector.
So there you have my current dilemma. I know I sound indecisive, that's my
nature. But any advice from the experts will certainly be appreciated.
Gary |
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Edwin Pawlowski
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"Gary" <nospamgwm9d@virginia.edu> wrote in message
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Decisions, decisions.
So there you have my current dilemma. I know I sound indecisive, that's
my
nature. But any advice from the experts will certainly be appreciated.
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Any of the choices you outline will do the job. How much money do you want
to throw at it?
If I had the money and was buying today, I'd go with the canister version.
Since you will be running one machine at a time, not a production shop, even
the smaller nits will work.
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BobS
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| Posted: Tue Aug 03, 2004 5:37 pm Post subject: Re: Dust Collector Recoomedation |
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Gary,
Since you want a quality system - have you looked at the Oneida systems?
They're located in Syracuse, NY but obviously ship all over and I believe
their systems are rebadged now by a few other resellers. So shopping around
may save some money but I believe dealing directly with Oneida will get you
a better designed system tailored to your needs with fewer hassles.
Not to many in the group will have the experience (save a few) with all the
systems you're asking about but hopefully, the ones that have will respond
to your questions. It appears you did do some research but you didn't
mention about reading any reviews from the trade magazines (FWW, AW) which
have done some comparison tests. This has been one subject that has been
consistently discussed in the group. There are so many options with the DC
itself being only part of the equation. Size, length and type of duct pipe
runs, elbow's, blast gates, type of flex-hose, connections, etc. all need to
be considered to build an effective DC system.
Can you slap one together yourself and will it work - certainly. Now if you
really want it to work to maximum effectiveness - talk to the experts that
design and build DC's. There are others besides Oneida
http://www.oneida-air.com/ Ph 800-732-4065 but I get a nickel for everyone I
send to their site..... (not really).
Bob S.
"Gary" <nospamgwm9d@virginia.edu> wrote in message
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I suppose I should classify myself as a newbie, still in the process of
equipping my shop. I'm planning a retirement soon and hope to spend lots
of
time in my shop.
I am not a professional woodworker, but I like quality stuff. So far for
major equipment, I have a Delta Unisaw w/52"Bies, Powermatic 14' bandsaw
w/riser, and Dewalt 13" planer. I just recently ordered a Powermatic 60B
8"
jointer and Delta drillpress.
Now I'm shopping for a dust collector. I shopped and shopped but can't
make
up my mind. Maybe you folks can help.
Here are my questions:
Do I want an inexpensive 1.5 horsepower, 115 volt unit which I roll around
in my shop, such as the Delta 50-850, or Jet 1100A, or JDS Dust Force, or
Grizzly G1028Z?
I am concerned about health risks and want sub-micron filtering, but
should
I go with above inexpensive units and add on sub-micon bags, or canister
filters, or is there something more suited for my shop?
Or should I go to the next level to the 2 horsepower 220 volt units such
as
the Grizzly G1029Z with .3 Micon bags? I really like that one but the 220
circuit would have to be added, and do I want to go to that much trouble
for
a roll around unit? If I have to add the circuit, why not go with a
stationary unit such as the Grizzly G0525 Cyclone Dust Collector?
Decisions, decisions. One of the problems I have is that it seems that
all
of the reviews I can google, are from people who have used only the one
system which they own and have no frame of reference to compare it to
other
equivalent systems, other than the shop vac they were using before they
bought their X brand collector.
So there you have my current dilemma. I know I sound indecisive, that's
my
nature. But any advice from the experts will certainly be appreciated.
Gary
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Nate B
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| Posted: Tue Aug 03, 2004 6:49 pm Post subject: Re: Dust Collector Recoomedation |
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"Gary"
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I am concerned about health risks and want sub-micron filtering, but
should
I go with above inexpensive units and add on sub-micon bags, or canister
filters, or is there something more suited for my shop?
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No expert, but you might want to look at an air cleaner as well. No matter
how good your bag and/or DC is, there will still be dust everywhere in the
air while you are working.
I prefer a DC that rolls around, mostly because I have a small space. I
think space for a decent DC system is most people's deciding factor. If I
had more room, I'm pretty sure I'd go with something larger and more
permanent simply to avoid disconnecting that hose and moving it between
machines - no big deal in the first place, really, though....
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TeamCasa
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| Posted: Tue Aug 03, 2004 8:22 pm Post subject: Re: Dust Collector Recoomedation |
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I agree with Ed.
It's a question of value vs. effectiveness. How much is clean air worth to
you?
Whatever system you get, install it thoughtfully and carefully, with a
thought for future additions.
Use the best quality blast gates you can get.
It is noisy, keep that in mind when placing it.
Wire it so it can be turned on easily or remotely.
Dave
"Edwin Pawlowski" <esp@snet.net> wrote in message
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"Gary" <nospamgwm9d@virginia.edu> wrote in message
Decisions, decisions.
So there you have my current dilemma. I know I sound indecisive, that's
my
nature. But any advice from the experts will certainly be appreciated.
Any of the choices you outline will do the job. How much money do you
want
to throw at it?
If I had the money and was buying today, I'd go with the canister version.
Since you will be running one machine at a time, not a production shop,
even
the smaller nits will work.
Ed
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Gary
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"TeamCasa" <dave@teamcasadot.org> wrote in message
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I agree with Ed.
It's a question of value vs. effectiveness. How much is clean air worth
to
you?
Whatever system you get, install it thoughtfully and carefully, with a
thought for future additions.
Use the best quality blast gates you can get.
It is noisy, keep that in mind when placing it.
Wire it so it can be turned on easily or remotely.
Dave
"Edwin Pawlowski" <esp@snet.net> wrote in message
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"Gary" <nospamgwm9d@virginia.edu> wrote in message
Decisions, decisions.
So there you have my current dilemma. I know I sound indecisive,
that's
my
nature. But any advice from the experts will certainly be
appreciated.
Any of the choices you outline will do the job. How much money do you
want
to throw at it?
If I had the money and was buying today, I'd go with the canister
version.
Since you will be running one machine at a time, not a production shop,
even
the smaller nits will work.
Ed
I agree. I want the cleanest air for the money. I just don't want to be |
short sighted and buy a $300 roll around now if I find out later I want a
fully functional ducted system. If that's what its going to be, then I feel
I should take the larger hit now.
I like the canister type dust collectors out now but they only filter down
to about 2 micon particles. Isn't the sub-micron dust the primary health
hazard? Would it be optimal to use the canister collector, then place a
quality air filter in the shop also? Would that take care of the messy
fallout left all over everything overnight?
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DarylRos
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| Posted: Tue Aug 03, 2004 9:34 pm Post subject: Re: Dust Collector Recoomedation |
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Most dust collectors are poorly named. They should be called shaving
collectors, since they really don't filter out the fine, dangerous dust.
Oneida and Woodsucker make two units that actually filter out dust. Make sure
to use good quality ductwork as well.
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No expert, but you might want to look at an air cleaner as well. No matter
how good your bag and/or DC is, there will still be dust everywhere in the
air while you are working.
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Not true. A well designed unit does indeed capture everything. But you get what
you pay for.If the job is done right, then there is not need for an airborne
filter system. Those ar epopular, because the Grizzly and other type of
"collectors" and the exhaust ports for most machines simply don't work right.
If you have the money, but are not sure what to do, Oneida will sell and design
you a complete system. Including ductwork, all top quality. |
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David Merrill
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Sounds like you're serious enough to benefit from some reading at:
http://billpentz.com//woodworking/cyclone/index.cfm
and at: http://mypeoplepc.com/members/dstig/dustfaq_1.html
Apparently, getting the small particles that really count with respect to
various health hazards takes some serious planning. Doubly a concern if you
anticipate working with any of the wood species that can produce
allergic/toxic reactions. Some links to the latter are at:
http://www.wood-line.de/F/F02010101.htm
David Merrill
"Gary" <nospamgwm9d@virginia.edu> wrote in message
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I agree. I want the cleanest air for the money. I just don't want to be
short sighted and buy a $300 roll around now if I find out later I want a
fully functional ducted system. If that's what its going to be, then I
feel
I should take the larger hit now.
I like the canister type dust collectors out now but they only filter down
to about 2 micon particles. Isn't the sub-micron dust the primary health
hazard? Would it be optimal to use the canister collector, then place a
quality air filter in the shop also? Would that take care of the messy
fallout left all over everything overnight?
Gary
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Phisherman
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| Posted: Wed Aug 04, 2004 12:56 am Post subject: Re: Dust Collector Recoomedation |
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I have a Penn State. Used it 120v, then later converted it to 240v.
You may want to look for that option. A pre-filter, or drop box, is
important as it protects the DC's propeller. No matter how careful,
a tool or chunk of wood will find its way into the DC. Get at least a
1.5 HP, 2 HP is better although there is a little more noise. About
$350. Grizzly is good. A shop air filter is a wise investment,
and you can build one yourself that accepts disposable furnace
filters. About $200. You can use a large box fan and bungee cord
filters to it until you build or buy one. Finally, buy a quality dust
mask, the kind that fits around your face and has a 2-way valve (about
$50)--your lungs will thank you.
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I suppose I should classify myself as a newbie, still in the process of
equipping my shop. I'm planning a retirement soon and hope to spend lots of
time in my shop.
I am not a professional woodworker, but I like quality stuff. So far for
major equipment, I have a Delta Unisaw w/52"Bies, Powermatic 14' bandsaw
w/riser, and Dewalt 13" planer. I just recently ordered a Powermatic 60B 8"
jointer and Delta drillpress.
Now I'm shopping for a dust collector. I shopped and shopped but can't make
up my mind. Maybe you folks can help.
Here are my questions:
Do I want an inexpensive 1.5 horsepower, 115 volt unit which I roll around
in my shop, such as the Delta 50-850, or Jet 1100A, or JDS Dust Force, or
Grizzly G1028Z?
I am concerned about health risks and want sub-micron filtering, but should
I go with above inexpensive units and add on sub-micon bags, or canister
filters, or is there something more suited for my shop?
Or should I go to the next level to the 2 horsepower 220 volt units such as
the Grizzly G1029Z with .3 Micon bags? I really like that one but the 220
circuit would have to be added, and do I want to go to that much trouble for
a roll around unit? If I have to add the circuit, why not go with a
stationary unit such as the Grizzly G0525 Cyclone Dust Collector?
Decisions, decisions. One of the problems I have is that it seems that all
of the reviews I can google, are from people who have used only the one
system which they own and have no frame of reference to compare it to other
equivalent systems, other than the shop vac they were using before they
bought their X brand collector.
So there you have my current dilemma. I know I sound indecisive, that's my
nature. But any advice from the experts will certainly be appreciated.
Gary
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TeamCasa
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| Posted: Wed Aug 04, 2004 2:06 am Post subject: Re: Dust Collector Recoomedation |
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Gary, I too want clean shop air. I opted of the ducted system to each
machine and the 2 hp Delta. (Some of the machines get a universal hose.) I
also live in So.Cal and can have my garage door open when I work. I use
fans to move most of the air out and a dust mask when I do any sanding.
I am particularly careful with sawdust/chip build-up as I also do a fair
amount of welding/metal work. However, the residual dust does collect and I
have to go over the shop with compressed air. (w/dust mask)
Prior to applying any finish, I blast the shop several times and let it
stand overnight before applying any products.
I do not wear a class 4 bio-suit, but I like to think I am somewhat
reasonable about dust control. I guess I'll find out in twenty or thirty
years!
Dave
"Gary" <nospamgwm9d@virginia.edu> wrote in message
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"TeamCasa" <dave@teamcasadot.org> wrote in message
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I agree with Ed.
It's a question of value vs. effectiveness. How much is clean air worth
to
you?
Whatever system you get, install it thoughtfully and carefully, with a
thought for future additions.
Use the best quality blast gates you can get.
It is noisy, keep that in mind when placing it.
Wire it so it can be turned on easily or remotely.
Dave
"Edwin Pawlowski" <esp@snet.net> wrote in message
news:qnMPc.2662$g8.30@trndny05...
"Gary" <nospamgwm9d@virginia.edu> wrote in message
Decisions, decisions.
So there you have my current dilemma. I know I sound indecisive,
that's
my
nature. But any advice from the experts will certainly be
appreciated.
Any of the choices you outline will do the job. How much money do you
want
to throw at it?
If I had the money and was buying today, I'd go with the canister
version.
Since you will be running one machine at a time, not a production
shop,
even
the smaller nits will work.
Ed
I agree. I want the cleanest air for the money. I just don't want to be
short sighted and buy a $300 roll around now if I find out later I want a
fully functional ducted system. If that's what its going to be, then I
feel
I should take the larger hit now.
I like the canister type dust collectors out now but they only filter down
to about 2 micon particles. Isn't the sub-micron dust the primary health
hazard? Would it be optimal to use the canister collector, then place a
quality air filter in the shop also? Would that take care of the messy
fallout left all over everything overnight?
Gary
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Mark L.
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I would really like to see a few pix posted in a.b.p.w. of that 14 foot
bandsaw..... Never realized that Powermatic was getting into the
logging market. ;-)
Gary wrote:
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I suppose I should classify myself as a newbie, still in the process of
equipping my shop. I'm planning a retirement soon and hope to spend lots of
time in my shop.
I am not a professional woodworker, but I like quality stuff. So far for
major equipment, I have a Delta Unisaw w/52"Bies, Powermatic 14' bandsaw
w/riser,.... <snippage |
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Bob Davis
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"Gary" <nospamgwm9d@virginia.edu> wrote in message news:<ceo0u9$3fp$1@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>...
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If I have to add the circuit, why not go with a
stationary unit such as the Grizzly G0525 Cyclone Dust Collector?
You've invested in some nice power tools. It would be a real shame to |
saddle yourself with moving a portable collector from tool to tool. I
think you will curse the day you decided to shortcut for that
approach. I invested in a fixed network and praise the decision.
Prior to that dust was ruining my enjoyment working in the shop, not
to mention my health. My biggest beast was the tablesaw. It took a
custom built two port system (one below the blade and one at the
blade) to finally tame it. I could not have done that with a portable
system. I also have a ceiling mounted air filtration system but
hardly ever use it since I got all the dust collection working
properly.
BTW, I have a 2hp canister unit. One thing it does very well is
maintain performance consistency.
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Gary
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I would really like to see a few pix posted in a.b.p.w. of that 14 foot
bandsaw..... Never realized that Powermatic was getting into the
logging market. 
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LOL! Oh, so you haven't heard about the new Powermatic? Heck, I can cut
out the whole side of a house in one panel. Works great, but its a bear
handling the material. (teehee)
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Gary
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Hey, thanks everyone for the good advice. Checking my shop this morning, I
noted that I have a corner available that I can reasonably easily build a
closet and wire for 220, so I think I will go with maybe a 2-3hp unit, metal
duct (I have a friend in the hvac business and has a nice sheet metal shop),
and trash-can cyclone(?).
Now to decide which brand? Filter type? I like the canister type but am
concerned about only 2 micron filtering, clearing (some reviewers say they
clogged frequently and have to be disassembled to clean), and durability/
replacement cost.
Gary
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I have a Penn State. Used it 120v, then later converted it to 240v.
You may want to look for that option. A pre-filter, or drop box, is
important as it protects the DC's propeller. No matter how careful,
a tool or chunk of wood will find its way into the DC. Get at least a
1.5 HP, 2 HP is better although there is a little more noise. About
$350. Grizzly is good. A shop air filter is a wise investment,
and you can build one yourself that accepts disposable furnace
filters. About $200. You can use a large box fan and bungee cord
filters to it until you build or buy one. Finally, buy a quality dust
mask, the kind that fits around your face and has a 2-way valve (about
$50)--your lungs will thank you.
On Tue, 3 Aug 2004 08:37:28 -0400, "Gary" <nospamgwm9d@virginia.edu
wrote:
I suppose I should classify myself as a newbie, still in the process of
equipping my shop. I'm planning a retirement soon and hope to spend lots
of
time in my shop.
I am not a professional woodworker, but I like quality stuff. So far for
major equipment, I have a Delta Unisaw w/52"Bies, Powermatic 14' bandsaw
w/riser, and Dewalt 13" planer. I just recently ordered a Powermatic 60B
8"
jointer and Delta drillpress.
Now I'm shopping for a dust collector. I shopped and shopped but can't
make
up my mind. Maybe you folks can help.
Here are my questions:
Do I want an inexpensive 1.5 horsepower, 115 volt unit which I roll
around
in my shop, such as the Delta 50-850, or Jet 1100A, or JDS Dust Force, or
Grizzly G1028Z?
I am concerned about health risks and want sub-micron filtering, but
should
I go with above inexpensive units and add on sub-micon bags, or canister
filters, or is there something more suited for my shop?
Or should I go to the next level to the 2 horsepower 220 volt units such
as
the Grizzly G1029Z with .3 Micon bags? I really like that one but the
220
circuit would have to be added, and do I want to go to that much trouble
for
a roll around unit? If I have to add the circuit, why not go with a
stationary unit such as the Grizzly G0525 Cyclone Dust Collector?
Decisions, decisions. One of the problems I have is that it seems that
all
of the reviews I can google, are from people who have used only the one
system which they own and have no frame of reference to compare it to
other
equivalent systems, other than the shop vac they were using before they
bought their X brand collector.
So there you have my current dilemma. I know I sound indecisive, that's
my
nature. But any advice from the experts will certainly be appreciated.
Gary
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Bob G.
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Gary:
I am retired...have been since the day I turned 55 in
1998.... and you bet I use the shop, almost daily.... Wife swares I
live out there...
Two things come to mind... 1st ..I though I had enough
rough lumber stockpiles (several thousand BF to last me a long long
time... WRONG ! )... stock 3 lifetimes worth of wood....
Next on the Dust Collectors.... I run a two...
One is a samller 1 Hp unit (Penn State) that handles only
my Planer and my Joiner or my maid Router Table
The other is a Griz 1029 2 Hp unit... that handles all the
other machines in the shop...
The Griz "sucks" 3 times as much as the little one... (only
a comparison by the amout of suction I feel not volume of air etc..
only a subjective test..
I also have a Delta Air filter hung high in the shop and a home made
(with squirrel cage blower etc) unit sitting low in the shop...
NOW to be perfectly frank I am not at all worried about my health...
I am now in my 60's... hell I have 20 years at the most to live and I
do not think I will shorten my life by more then a year by worring
about dust in my lungs ...damn grown children put more problems on my
HEART then I could ever put dust into my lungs...(Sorry I love the
kids...lol)
I also set up a central vac system in my shop uisng The bergs 1 1/2 in
tubing and blast gates hooked up to my shop vac which I keep outside
in a small storage room...controilled by a wireless switch... no more
draging teh vac arounf...1 hose can be plugged into any of about a
dozen gates and can reach any place in the shop...
My concers were really my happiness...and I am very happy working,
playing around, goofing off or hiding in a clean shop... just so much
more relaxing...
Go for a 220V system if you can...IF you are really worried about your
health then the cyclone is the way to go
My point is basically Smile Be Happy.... what ever floats your boat...
Bob Griffiths
On Tue, 3 Aug 2004 08:37:28 -0400, "Gary" <nospamgwm9d@virginia.edu>
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I suppose I should classify myself as a newbie, still in the process of
equipping my shop. I'm planning a retirement soon and hope to spend lots of
time in my shop.
I am not a professional woodworker, but I like quality stuff. So far for
major equipment, I have a Delta Unisaw w/52"Bies, Powermatic 14' bandsaw
w/riser, and Dewalt 13" planer. I just recently ordered a Powermatic 60B 8"
jointer and Delta drillpress.
Now I'm shopping for a dust collector. I shopped and shopped but can't make
up my mind. Maybe you folks can help.
Here are my questions:
Do I want an inexpensive 1.5 horsepower, 115 volt unit which I roll around
in my shop, such as the Delta 50-850, or Jet 1100A, or JDS Dust Force, or
Grizzly G1028Z?
I am concerned about health risks and want sub-micron filtering, but should
I go with above inexpensive units and add on sub-micon bags, or canister
filters, or is there something more suited for my shop?
Or should I go to the next level to the 2 horsepower 220 volt units such as
the Grizzly G1029Z with .3 Micon bags? I really like that one but the 220
circuit would have to be added, and do I want to go to that much trouble for
a roll around unit? If I have to add the circuit, why not go with a
stationary unit such as the Grizzly G0525 Cyclone Dust Collector?
Decisions, decisions. One of the problems I have is that it seems that all
of the reviews I can google, are from people who have used only the one
system which they own and have no frame of reference to compare it to other
equivalent systems, other than the shop vac they were using before they
bought their X brand collector.
So there you have my current dilemma. I know I sound indecisive, that's my
nature. But any advice from the experts will certainly be appreciated.
Gary
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